tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post8910110617000461786..comments2024-03-26T05:58:34.232+00:00Comments on Magpie and Old Lead: Space Marine Army (1991 Vintage)...What's It Worth Now?axiomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11598298167403563382noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-69324982947940243422015-07-19T23:12:43.039+01:002015-07-19T23:12:43.039+01:00I've been working on that army for years. No w...I've been working on that army for years. No way as easy as you might think to get hold of that much old lead. http://chaptermasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1421.jpgChapterMastershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811514002860458715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-66349506447601754802014-09-25T00:17:19.812+01:002014-09-25T00:17:19.812+01:00I think it's WD213, it has Dark Angels on the ...I think it's WD213, it has Dark Angels on the cover and was the issue where the metal scouts were released.<br /><br />That is my all time favourite Space Marine Army, and when I get to repainting my 2nd edition SMs I will be going for exactly that look (though Raptor Legion not Dark Angels....).(Kym) + Warburton + (Classic40K) https://www.blogger.com/profile/17333928965917754588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-63370647631139154382014-09-17T21:45:45.999+01:002014-09-17T21:45:45.999+01:00Probably...that's another calculation to enjoy...Probably...that's another calculation to enjoy ;)axiomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598298167403563382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-77485503984777158752014-09-17T19:46:41.254+01:002014-09-17T19:46:41.254+01:00Wouldn't it be more relevant to compare with 2...Wouldn't it be more relevant to compare with 2nd hand prices on new stuff?Dr. The Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305788085660984153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-73082971539047060202014-09-17T16:31:14.104+01:002014-09-17T16:31:14.104+01:00What is pretty much certain (in my mind) is that m...What is pretty much certain (in my mind) is that metal casts will last a lot longer in better condition and be more collectible as time goes on. Take a look at second hand plastics - often they're in awful condition, with broken elements or fused together with polystyrene cement (sorry, "plastic glue") by ham-fisted kids. You can salvage a metal model by stripping, and in many cases a 25 year old model will look as good as new. Not the case for plastics.axiomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598298167403563382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-86708412290075749902014-09-17T15:57:03.203+01:002014-09-17T15:57:03.203+01:00One element of answer could be that the ranges ahd...One element of answer could be that the ranges ahd a longer lifespan then and the "design" pretty much only consisted of the sculpting of the green and maybe the drawing of a few concept sketches. The only techical consideration was to make castable models (by going to the guy in the room below I suppose)<br />With plastics and resin thee are technical problems about injections and how to best optimise bits on the sprue to avoid pressure loss and to use the least material. You must also consider that on every sprue you only get to reall use half the material even though you buy it all (like I said above it's a good and bad thing at the same time).<br />If you see things this way it's probably more easu ti understand why it's cheaper to make 10 metal one-block marines that will last 5 years than to make 10 multipart plastic marines (with loads of spare bits) that will get replaced in 2 years...Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-21005151722376823102014-09-17T15:48:45.749+01:002014-09-17T15:48:45.749+01:00I will ;)I will ;)Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-13971240489517843582014-09-17T14:35:41.159+01:002014-09-17T14:35:41.159+01:00I have long had a soft spot for that army, its ver...I have long had a soft spot for that army, its very nice. The robots are the big draw for me. My first GW purchase consisted of Dreadnoughts and Robots and I still love the robot designs in particular.<br /><br />Like you mention Axiom, its the time element that isnt factored in to that financial equation above. How many hours in front of Ebay plus the time involved in trading (comms, digging through old boxes, trips to the post office etc) would assembling that force take? How much of that time would be better spent painting the miniatures that I already own? Aspects of trading are very enjoyable, but its quite time consuming. <br /><br />Whatever way that you look at it, its still a strange phenomenon that the vintage, cast-by-hand in metal, OOP version of that army can be bought for cheaper than the injection moulded plastic.cheetor/sho3boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10903788038870748272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-35184973828037960462014-09-17T11:14:26.441+01:002014-09-17T11:14:26.441+01:00I agree, the modern stuff does give you a lot of f...I agree, the modern stuff does give you a lot of flexibility, but at the cost of a particular aesthetic or character. <br /><br />Collecting old stuff had its own issues - and the time factor has got to be included too...just how long would it take to assemble this army ;)<br /><br />I'm not sure I remember the DA army you refer to...you'll have to dig out the WD and point out pictures ;)axiomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598298167403563382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-560709119022789110.post-46615645547080985262014-09-17T11:03:10.782+01:002014-09-17T11:03:10.782+01:00Always loved that army and I'm actually surpri...Always loved that army and I'm actually surprised the prize with modern stuff is not that expensive. <br />Main difference is that wih modern products you get a lot of side products which is a very good thing for conversions, flexibility, customisatin and all but which also means you pay for things you don't really use or need in the first place. After that it's just a matter of taste. I'm firghtened to see people building FW pre-heresy armies and the costs involved ! I don't really fancy the models so I find that insane but even for models I wold like I 'd find it hard.<br /><br />You've build your estimate on reasonable prizes but collectionning old lead comes with its fair amount of silly binge buys and we sometimes let ourselves get carried away bidding more than we should just to ge "THAT" model... on the other hand, you can get free stuff from nice people and you can also score killer bargains on job lots or mislabelled so maybe it balances...<br /><br />One army I still really like is Warwik Kinrade's dark angel's army (can't remember the WD number), that would be quite an expensive one too...<br /><br />Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.com